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I'm not in denial - I actually have played better games, believe it or not. People aren't saying Halo is bad, but it is hardly revolutionary. Big deal, it's a FPS on a console. Who cares what it's on? I know I'm talking about games, not hardware.

OK, in case you misunderstand what I'm saying - I prefer several other games to Halo. Simple. If people think I'm "wrong," then I can say just the same thing about you for underrating games that I have genuine reasons for liking.

And you won't ever change my mind, just like millions of people who buy other games who try to persuade me to buy them - but I'm not going to, because I don't actually want to - on the other hand, I have played Halo and Halo 2. I quit Halo 2 before the end, which speaks for itself. But no one is saying Halo is bad!

I fell asleep once watching casablanca... i have tried a few times to watch citizen kane... bored th hell out of me.

But i can understand and apreicate the importance of these films and the place they hodl in the history of cinema.

indeed, you are nto sayign halo is bad. You are however denying its great worth based on your opinion.

I made many points in defense of my side, you negate them with a simple "nu uh".
Saying you know better games and not listing any doesnt prove anything except your lack of reasoning behind your "opinions".
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bout time, i was starting to fear that bungie would overplay the story of halo and accidently ruin it.

"halo = average" - idiot

"you cant say halo = average" - dick

its not a bad game. it just didnt turn my world upside down. it revolutionised little and didnt grab my balls. like other average games.

How many reasons is it possible to have for something not being amazing? What it is, is a lack of reasons why it is amazing!

This particular discussion is mostly about opinion, anyway, so I don't understand how someone can be criticised for giving an opinion.

Listing the games is irrelevant - the point is, I just like other games more. I could list any of them and you could say you don't like them, whatever they are.

Yes, I understand the good aspects of Halo, like I originally mentioned, but just because some of it is good, does not make it amazing.

I don't think a game (ex. Halo 1) can be called average when it singlehandedly held up the X-Box for a whole year. it was the only good launch game and the only good game to come out from November 11, 2001 - November 11, 2002. That's a whole year Microsoft relied on a sole IP to carry their system. That my friend, is no average game.

If you don't like it, don't like it but don't go and tell people how to feel about certain games. Some people are just not fit to judge games. Saying that all console FPSes suck, is disregarding that they exist. Companies are still producing them and someone has to review them. There is also the fact that one game has to be the pinnacle of that genre, regardless of your prediliction toward it. And I believe as do most people that Halo 1 and Goldeneye are #1 and #2.

No one said Halo was bad, nor that all or any console FPSs "suck".

A game doesn't have to be amazing to sell... neither does "amazing" sales make an "amazing" game.

What I know is that it did not "amaze" me, and that is a fact, and I can't argue about it - I am not saying Halo is a bad game at all, either.

I hope at least some other people also didn't find it amazing ("not amazing" != "bad", don't misunderstand) because, otherwise, I have to come to the conclusion that everybody else has been brainwashed, or that I don't find things as impressive as I "should".

youve got a friend in me, realvictory. and a couple of people i know too.

and vault 13. some people mustnt be fit to join forums; you have somehow managed to misread everything and as a result started to spout nonsense.

no one disregarded console fps's, or said that halo was bad. we didnt try and make anyone else agree with us either.

and as for halo propping up the xbox, the general public arent all 'hardcore' gamers, people who have played a good number of games in all genres for all but their entire lives - since back when a game constituted a handful of pixels way up to now with millions of polygons in my case - and in their own mind can honestly say thay know the full difference between a great and an average one. some absolute s**t gets in the charts, games that either pander to these morons or just fell short of the mark during development and got bought anyway. official licenses help here, as EA full well know.

so no, halo propping up the xbox means nothing. i frigging hate the 'if so many people buy it it must be good' argument. a lot of people can be wrong or make a collective mistake. bush was voted in for his second term, are 50-whatever percent of americans right? are they f**k, not on that one.

What you two seem to be missing is that someone said "haloe is a pretty average game". That is the main point of discussion and what started the furver hear. I am not accusing you ofg saying it sux and even if you had i think i would have been more exceptign of that as an opinion. Callign it average however is a statment of complete inacuracy. The game excelles in nearly every category be it controls, graphics for the time, pacing, score, characters, story, multiplayer and inspite of its numerous cliche's a great deal of originality.

To say you didnt like it is one thing, an opinion your welcome to. To say that a game that sold on par with the GTA games (who console of choice has litteraly a 5 times larger instal base) is just absurd.

I will say again, i have listed numerous reasons why the game is not "Average" where as all the two of you can manage is a few "flaws" that most halo fans will easily bow to and the fact that your opinions of it are low. Your opinion of a games does not make it average.

Average: adj. Usual or ordinary in kind or character.

At the time of its release there was nothign usual or ordinary about that game.

My opinion doesnt make you average does it? j/k ;)
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Your arguments for it being amazing are the same as the arguments for it being average - opinion. Except "everyone bought it..." "everyone agrees... therefore it must be true".

Good graphics, good gameplay, originality, blah, blah, whatever you decide review a game based on - those are all subjective. I believe I have seen better, not just to the extent that I would say "I believe" but to the extent that I would say "it is the truth, and people who disagree with me simply don't understand what I mean", because I don't just think I believe, I believe I know that better games exist, and Halo is not bad, but saying it is amazing is disrespectful to other games which are much, much better.

This is not something that can be logically proven, so I don't see why people bother trying to argue - that is what I mind most of all - it all depends on what you think a game should be, how high your standards are, and what you like.

I believe what I say, and that is no worse than what anyone else has done. If opinions are invalid, then I may as well not post a single thing - however I am a customer to Halo, therefore it should be valid. I paid to have an opinion on it.

Anyway, the point is, you can compare whatever you like, but whether it is amazing or average is only ever going to be a matter of opinion - arguing is not necessarily a waste of time, but arguing a lot of things is - and not that either is wrong, which I feel is a misunderstanding.

Here's a quick example - when you read a review in a magazine or website (whichever is your favourite), it is never a scientific 100% objective analysis of the game, ever. There is nothing stopping you basing your entire life on magazine reviews. Yet, on the other hand, neither can you say it is wrong, because it never claimed to be the ultimate truth - it will always ever be a matter of opinion.

Halo 1 for me was a fun little FPS game. It wasn't a mindblowing, edge-of-my-seat, action-packed, ride of a lifetime but it was good. Then came Halo 2. It was a boring, overhyped piece of crap. Every level was a mess of terrible level design and worthless A.I. The whole staying in one spot, killing enemies, waiting, killing some more, then moving to the next part to do it all over again was just to pad the game's length. The vehicles were a downgrade from Halo 1. Never was driving a Ghost so boring than in Halo 2

Its a real shame that there will be a Halo 3 and the world may never see a Beyond Good and Evil sequel.

Are you seriously suggesting that only "Hardcore" gamers have opinions that matter? Or only those people who are old enough to play Pac Man can have a "correct" perspective?

I happen to have played games since they were text based. Does that make my opinion more valid than yours, as I've been (presumably, based on your above discription) playing games longer than you?

"Hardcore" gamers can be like "Movie Buffs" in that their opinions are usually no better than any one else, and in some cases, horrible. Having just seen Six String Samurai based on some recommendations, I can say that "Movie Buffs" can often have their heads up their asses.

Halo 2, in my opinion, was barely above average, as the level design was terrible, and made all the "yes, I finally get to control this vehicle" from Halo 1 more chore-like than enjoyable.

However, the thing that sets Halo 1 apart from other console FPSes is the thought and polish that went into the game. Was it revolutionary? no. but it did totally change the gaming landscape. Halo 1 will not age as well as some of the old classics (NES Mario games, for example), but for its time it was fantastic.

what i am saying, in a unapologetic categorisation, is that most of the general public are inexperienced idiots who wouldnt know a fantastic game if it came up and bit them on the arse

i used to play text based games too, on my bbc micro. although i have never really thought of them as games.

Why didn't anyone buy Psychonauts? That was a fantastic game :(

i bought it... and loved every secodn of it... well almost every second.
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