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Tue, 11 Jul 2006 11:18
ozfunghi wrote:
Can't really blame 'm. I'm not interested either, no sound, no flash...
What kind of sound? Background music on badly designed homepages? :)
how will it work with secure pages etc...
Opera was the first browser to support full 128-bit encryption, so obviously it will support secure pages.
Tue, 11 Jul 2006 11:23
jordanlund wrote:
They are trying to charge money for software that gives you less functionality than what you can get on the Sony PSP FOR FREE.
Contrary to popular belief, TANSTAAFL.
Sony paid a browser company to port the browser to the PSP. That money was PSP customers' money.
In the end, the customer pays for everything.
That the browser is included on the device doesn't mean that it is free. Someone always has to pay, and when it comes to mass-market products, you, the consumer, will ultimately pay the cost.
Gee, can't see why people aren't interested...
People are interested, and at least Nintendo aren't forcing the browser on people who just want to play games. Only those who buy the browser will pay for it, unlike the PSP where every single PSP customer pays for the browser, whether he uses it or not.
Tue, 11 Jul 2006 11:38
plings wrote:
Sony paid a browser company to port the browser to the PSP. That money was PSP customers' money.
In the end, the customer pays for everything
In the end, the customer pays for everything
Oh for god's sake...
Tue, 11 Jul 2006 12:02
TigerUppercut wrote:
Avoiding your over-personal, entirely inappropriate quagmire, a line of debate-manipulation wholly ironic given your barrel-scraping, netiquette-complaint debunking high-ground...
Ah, so NOT ACTUALLY avoiding it at all then.
Yes. So the DS is better in this respect.
If you can remember, your original post said nothing about quality, it was predicated entirely on QUANTITY. You said that the DS had MORE access points. It does not.
take a PSP around, you're going to need a manbag.
They are really quite similar in size. I didn't think it... didn't expect it. But when we got our Lite, we laid it on, and next to, our PSP, and the difference is nothing to shout about. Neither are pocket sized unless you have big pockets. The pocket that will accomodate the DS Lite will - in most cases - accept the PSP too.
As for usable browsing screen, it's more about shape that raw pixel count. The DS offers a more sensible shape for browsing, given the nature and shape of web pages. I think this is just a fact.
The DS screen is 256x192. PSP is 420x272. The simple fact is the PSP can show more width AND more height of any given page. Aspect ratio is irrelevant.
So you're saying that as long as you only want to read stuff, they are equal.
Sorry. What else do you want to do on the web. Play Flash games (oh, you can't on your DS).
Opera is a great browser. It was your Browser from Jesus. After you heralded Safari. After Firefox.
Please have SOME facts before you start ascribing a position to me. I have NEVER, EVER favoured Opera as a browser. To me it has always been an also-run, popular primarily with Linux users because it supported them best. You have NEVER heard me take any other position.
Also, you are not trying to "keep up" you are trying to put words into my mouth. I have never changed position on browsers (least not in the way you suggest). I favour Mozilla Firfox on PC, and Linux, and Safari on Mac.
if you go outside and it's even a remotely sunny day, you *cannot* see your PSP. Meanwhile, DS users can browse away and their eyeballs are in no way impacted. Come on...
If I go outselde and it's even a remotely sunny day, I won't be playing games or browsing the web.
Also, I think you misrepresent the way in which each machine is used, another example of a disingenuous.
OMG. We PAY YOU MONEY to write for us. Disingenuity (or disingenuousness).
not to mention selectively-quoted post
That's how quoting works. You quote the part you are responding to , and it is taken that you do not have an issue with the rest. If, on the other hand, you are accusing me of taking you out of context, please back that up.
Because the positioning on the console is reliant on just one arm, the input on the other.
With both consoles you use one hand to hold the console, the other to handle input. With both consoles, you pretty much have the same protection from people reading your letter to your mum apologising about forgetting mothers day.
Just try it with both machines. If you don't agree, you're lying.
Nice argument. "If you don't agree with me you're lying." At least I stick with "If you don't agree with me you are wrong".
Tue, 11 Jul 2006 12:02
TigerUppercut wrote:
As for usable browsing screen, it's more about shape that raw pixel count.
This is true, a wider screen, as config points out, is better for viewing web pages than a tall one.
Tue, 11 Jul 2006 12:10
plings wrote:
Sony paid a browser company to port the browser to the PSP. That money was PSP customers' money.
Well they must have known about their intention to add a browser since before they launched the PSP, the price hasn't gone up to cover the costs of developing or porting the browser.
Tue, 11 Jul 2006 12:14
DoctorDee wrote:
I [strong]strongly[/strong] disagree with this. I find it hard to say how strongly. I think audio feedback on a webpage can be both pleasing and useful.
Does your Mac make a noise when you hover over a button or every time you press a key on the keyboard or open a window or close a window or confirm a dialogue?
If not, then why should a web page?
Tue, 11 Jul 2006 12:44
tyrion wrote:
Does your Mac make a noise when you hover over a button or every time you press a key on the keyboard or open a window or close a window or confirm a dialogue?
Depends which Mac you mean.
The Mac USED to, and Apple saw fit to remove it in OS X, at which point a haxie immediately appeared to re-instate it. This haxie IS on one of my home machines. It's not on my office machine.
If not, then why should a web page?
As with so much else today. I simply disgree with you on a basic level about this.
Tue, 11 Jul 2006 16:35
I can't browse the Web with the sound on. The clicking sound drives me crazy.
Thank God my laptop has mute button in easy reach!
Thank God my laptop has mute button in easy reach!
Wed, 12 Jul 2006 10:27
tyrion wrote:
plings wrote:
Sony paid a browser company to port the browser to the PSP. That money was PSP customers' money.
Well they must have known about their intention to add a browser since before they launched the PSP, the price hasn't gone up to cover the costs of developing or porting the browser.
Not necessarily. The PSP could have been cheaper, or there are other places that "suffer".
The bottom line is that the browser isn't free to anyone. Sony paid Access to port the browser, and Sony's bill is paid for by its customers.
Not that that's a bad thing, but just because the PSP browser seems to be "free" doesn't mean that it actually is, and that no one is paying for it.
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Okay, yeah, aesthetically, they're about on par. The DS offers the Internet in your pocket though, the PSP does not. This is an advantage becuase to take a PSP around, you're going to need a manbag.
Come on! DS Lite is only a few mills smaller than PSP.
Not at all. horizontal scrolling on a web page is just awful, so a wider screen that fits more on horizontally, but leaves you scrolling more often vertically is prefereable to a tall screen that requires gorinzontal AND vertical scrolling.
So you're saying that as long as you only want to read stuff, they are equal. Even that's totally wrong. Answer this: Would you rather just tap a link with a stylus or cycle through a slew of hyperlinks to get what you want?
Completely agree here. Tabbing around links just sucks.
Perhaps Sony should just license Firefox instead of trying to reinvent the wheel. Maybe they could come up with somesort of motion sensing wand tpye pointer for PSP, that would be *really* innovative!