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PresidentEvil
Joined 8 Sep 2004
49 comments
Sun, 5 Feb 2006 13:52
vault 13 wrote:
We, the ones of Eurpoean descent, drove them to fight and drove them to little patches of land where we could buy cigarettes cheap and gamble freely.


I think you'll find we didn't "drive" anyone anywhere, all this happened long before Gerry Ford inventerated the automobile. And anyhow, we would not want their dust feet or smelly buck-skins in our nice new Studebakers.

The near eliminization of the Red, or if you will Native American, Indian was a simple matter of market forces. When they offered nothing to the market their success deminished. When they realised that they could offer cheap cigarettes, gambling-without-going-to-Vegas and fireworks convenience to the community, they began to prosper.

As for them being forced to live on small areas of land, that's bull-crap. They are free to travel to whatever part of the United States they wish to in order to take up minimum wage manual labour. The thing is, we're back to the free market again, because Hispanishic and negroid people have aready identified and exploited that market need. Red American Natives will have to competitivize agressiviley in the sub-minimum wage marketspace if they hope to offer a market benefit to companies wishing to fire Hispanic and Black-colored people.

But instead, they prefer to remain on their reserves, running casinos and driving Mercedes Bens and laying around drinking all day. And that is their god given right, and it keeps them away from the nice golf clubs. Gobless Merka.
tg0006
Joined 11 Dec 2005
60 comments
Sun, 5 Feb 2006 15:17
I dont see an arguement here. Some tribes of native american tribes were known for killing without mercy and some were friendly
thane_jaw
Joined 29 Sep 2005
236 comments
Sun, 5 Feb 2006 23:06
tg0006 wrote:
I dont see an arguement here. Some tribes of native american tribes were known for killing without mercy and some were friendly


Bad choice of logic there. Do the descendants of those tribes sue Microsoft over the fact that there are no bloody thirsty natives in Age of Empires 3? In particular if you're subscribing to the differing camps of indians pov, then surely you'd expect some attempt to address the balance within a video game - instead of either good or bad?

Trace wrote:
A lot of you people are missing the point here. Scalping in Native American religion meant that the person's soul couldn't enter the afterlife. So in effect, it's the biggest possible offense that could be committed against a Native American and it's justified that people are more then a little pissed off.



If they were so concerned about that aspect of scalping they would have referred to it explicitly in their petition. They're more concerned with the genocide aspect of GUN. Scalping is mentioned twice as an example of the violence you can perform on indians during the game, nothing more.

In particular they do have some valid points. The character does regret letting some "injuns" get away (Gotta catch them all!) and apparently the official strat guide makes light of all the bloodshed caused by Cotton, by refering to a "karmic cleansing" (!) when he rescues the "injuns" from a train.

I have since revised my opinion of this issue from previous postings and upon replaying of the game. There is an element of flippancy to the whole treatment of native americans in the game. In spite of discovering your roots later on, it doesn't go out of its way to explain why your earlier actions were so regretable. Instead the developers sweep that under the carpet and you're suddenly allied with the indians and no more is said. Some of the AAID's arguments are similar to those denouncing violence in video games because the impressionable kids might get at it, but there is blatant stereotyping of racial prejudices which isn't done with nearly the same amount of humour and fun as that other game GTA.

It just could all have been done a bit more tactfully, maybe consultation with tribes would have helped (I mean it was released on 4 systems, so I'm guessing it wasn't just a game you whack out because its christmas. Although...) - however the game is so short that its not known whether this could have been achieved in a game with a greater amount of content.
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