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shediesinred
Joined 29 Mar 2005
43 comments
Thu, 7 Apr 2005 22:47
I don’t hate PS2, I own one, because it’s got some great games. What I do hate is that developers are lazy, and every time a new game comes out for all systems it’s only going to look as good as what the PS2 is capable of because it’s the lowest common denominator. Which is unfortunate. So again, to clarify, I don’t hate PS2, I hate the fact that half the games I play on Gamecube and Xbox look like crap because of PS2 and lazy game developers. I love companies like Capcom, that take full advantage of what the gamecube can do and develop games that push the hardware to the limits. Capcom, Bungie, Retro, Tecmo, are all studios I respect. Some of my best gaming moments were on PSone, its one of my favorite consoles ever made, and I will be first in line for a PS3 because it’s going to be an incredible system… why? Because this time Sony is going to have hands down the most powerful system, its significantly faster then x-box 2, that coupled with the fact that Sony’s still got the best 3rd party support will almost assure dominance in the next generation. I love Nintendo also. I love my Gamecube, Resident Evil 4, Metroid Prime 2, and Baiten Katos still get regular play. I think Resident Evil 4 is the best game of this generation so far, and I think the only game that’s going to top it is The Legend of Zelda, which is also on gamecube. I’m not a big fan of x-box because I think if it didn’t have Halo or Fable then it would have the worst software of any console released thus far. Halo was the reason I bought one and it’s still the only reason (besides Fable) to own one.. the first Halo anyways, I thought Halo 2 was overrated, and boring, I wasn’t a fan on Ninja Gained either because it was far too repetitive for me. I will probably buy an Xbox360 however, because it looks promising, but I'll make up my mind after E3, thats just my opinion anyways
neocarrillo
Joined 31 Mar 2005
156 comments
Fri, 8 Apr 2005 00:01
No doubt you have become one of my favorite posters on sponge, your a ps2 fan and that is awesome. As for the comment about the developers yeah it's true. If developers were to make a multiplatform game using all the ps2's power it may look alot better than what it looks like now. I mean look at a game like god of war and you can see that a game that is well made on ps2 can be almost as good looking as a xbox game.
Grand theft auto san andreas is another good example, rockstar used everything the ps2 had to offer in graphics and cpu power, true we had texture pop up's but here's the thing so did halo 2 and that's on xbox. I like ps2 just like you cause even though the system is 5 years old it can still run with the xbox and gamcube. I like capcom aswell they did one f**king hell of a job with resident evil 4 for the cube. That game was the scariest and most nerve racking game I have ever played.
As for the comment on ps3, hell f**king yeah ps3 will be the most powerful system ever! Unlike the xbox in this generation that had the most powerful system but the least best games, the ps3 will be the most powerful system and have the best games. So we ps2 fan's that get s**tted on by xbox fans cause our graphics are not better will get our revenge.
People forget nvidia is making the graphics chip for ps3, no more emotion engine for developers to get pissed off at. Also if your into pc graphics you would know that nvidia is leading in innovation. Nvidia came out with pci express and SLI. Imagine a ps3 using pci express and SLI, WOW.
Also cell is the power behind it and soon sony, ibm and toshiba will put that chip in tv's, pc's and any other electronic device. Also if you have read about cell you will know that if you have an hd tv with a cell chip combined with a ps3, the visuals and sound will be enhanced, that also goes for any other devices that are powered by cell.
It's funny that I mention ps3's hd cause microsoft's J Allard talked about hd and how the future is hd, well ps3 users hd will be better than a xbox 360 users hd. Also remember that immersion has won the case against sony and the dual shock, so now dual shock 3 will be completely different from the immersion technology and for the better I say.
On another note the ps3 will connect wirelessly to the psp. Imagine being able to download game demos, movies and music from your ps3 to your psp. I know xbox live is better than ps2's online sevice but sony will learn form their mistakes. What xbox 360 will have online so will ps3, I don't know about revolution though.
Also in response to shediesinred, it's true the only reason to have an xbox is halo and maybe fable. I didn't think halo 2 was boring though but it was a rushed product filled with glitches and was too short for a game that took 3 years to make, on top of that s**tty ending.
So if halo 3 is all xbox 360 has it will fall to second or maybe even third place behind sony and nintendo.

PreciousRoi
Joined 3 Apr 2005
1483 comments
Fri, 8 Apr 2005 07:31
neocarrillo wrote:
As for the comment on ps3, hell f**king yeah ps3 will be the most powerful system ever!
wishful thinking? or do (think) you know something that no one else knows?

Imagine a ps3 using pci express and SLI, WOW.
ditto, only thats certainly just you spouting nonsense

Also cell is the power behind it and soon sony, ibm and toshiba will put that chip in tv's, pc's and any other electronic device. Also if you have read about cell you will know that if you have an hd tv with a cell chip combined with a ps3, the visuals and sound will be enhanced, that also goes for any other devices that are powered by cell.
where'd you read that? Seriously back it up with links...

It's funny that I mention ps3's hd cause microsoft's J Allard talked about hd and how the future is hd, well ps3 users hd will be better than a xbox 360 users hd.
more wishful thinking, though if you go by current standards, VERY unlikely, PS2 supports hd, Sony just doesn't release games that do...unlike MS, who are, and always have been committed to providing all games in hd, NATIVELY

Also remember that immersion has won the case against sony and the dual shock, so now dual shock 3 will be completely different from the immersion technology and for the better I say.
You heard this from Sony? They have confirmed a change in the Dual Shock? And For the better? Whats wrong with Dual Shock, I think it works just fine...or is it just that Sony having to pay MS would just break your heart, so you're resulting to more wishful thinking?

On another note the ps3 will connect wirelessly to the psp. Imagine being able to download game demos, movies and music from your ps3 to your psp. I know xbox live is better than ps2's online sevice but sony will learn form their mistakes.
Sony hasn't even done enough with the online service to have made enough mistakes to learn from, anything useful they will have learned, they learned from the people who were actually accomplishing things online...MS

What xbox 360 will have online so will ps3, I don't know about revolution though.
Sony is going to have to scramble just to catch up to Xbox now, much less the new stuff that MS has up thier sleeves. More wishful thinking I think.

Also in response to shediesinred, it's true the only reason to have an xbox is halo and maybe fable. I didn't think halo 2 was boring though but it was a rushed product filled with glitches and was too short for a game that took 3 years to make, on top of that s**tty ending.
Fable??? How about KotOR, easily the best RPG on the Xbox. I'm not even going to argue the rest of the point, besides to say that aside from Xbox exclusives, any multi-platform title looks best on Xbox, and will be HD on Xbox.

So if halo 3 is all xbox 360 has it will fall to second or maybe even third place behind sony and nintendo.
Fall to second? I wasn't aware it was first...keep in mind this is in the opinion of a Sony fanboy


Where do you get the info to back up all of your claims? Or is this all made up bullshite outta your head, as I suspect?

By the way, Mr. Spelling Nazi..."SPOnG", the site name is "SPOnG", the sponge is something your mother should have used...

hah!
tyrion
Joined 14 Oct 1999
1786 comments
Fri, 8 Apr 2005 07:38
PreciousRoi wrote:
By the way, Mr. Spelling Nazi..."SPonG", the site name is "SPonG", the sponge is something your mother should have used...

Actually, if you wish to be 100% correct, it is SPOnG. Only the n is in lower case. Check out the FAQ (under "about SPOnG" at the bottom of each page) to find out why.
PreciousRoi
Joined 3 Apr 2005
1483 comments
Fri, 8 Apr 2005 07:42
thanks for the correction, duly noted, and post corrected...
Pilot13
Joined 2 Feb 2005
231 comments
Fri, 8 Apr 2005 11:14
This Neo guy makes me want to die. Some of the stuff he comes out with.

So again, to clarify, I don’t hate PS2, I hate the fact that half the games I play on Gamecube and Xbox look like crap because of PS2 and lazy game developers.

As for the comment about the developers yeah it's true. If developers were to make a multiplatform game using all the ps2's power it may look alot better than what it looks like now. I mean look at a game like god of war and you can see that a game that is well made on ps2 can be almost as good looking as a xbox game.


That made me smack my forehead in dismay. This guy is clearly a sufferer of ADD.

Also, I didn't say GTA would be exclusive to XBox, that would be suicide, because all the damn fanboys are together with PlayStations. And in my opinion GTA has always belonged on PC. The original looked miles better on PC than PS1. I totally agree with CrmsnAngelus about final fantasy. I've played a couple but the only decent numbered one was seven. The tactics series is the best by far, and I'm only looking forward to 12 because the guy behind tactics is working on it.

And yes I have a playstation and only for a couple of games I very much Neo even looked at twice. Ico and Amplitude.
PreciousRoi
Joined 3 Apr 2005
1483 comments
Fri, 8 Apr 2005 13:58
he's a piece all right...

I liked FF2(US?) on the SNES myself...

I love how people who don't own/like Xbox are experts on what games are on it...I didn't even LIKE Fable, wouldn't even list it as top 10 XBox games, yet its "one of the only reasons to own an Xbox"?

Hows this, one of the only reasons to own a PS2...You like to play RPGs by yourself.

To shediesinred...yeah, you are so on point about the lazy game devs. One of the games I was most looking forwared to on Xbox was Medal of Honor : Allied Assault, instead we waited a year and got a PS2 retread...the lousy, especially by comparison, Frontline(probably as a result of some dirty backroom deal with Sony, no Link)...and the even more lousy Rising Sun(ditto, and which had a movie about the BAR, but no BAR). But you are totally off base about the PS3 having disproporionately large 3rd party support...thats sooo this cycle, the very story you're commenting on is about how much 3rd party support Xbox is going to get... In addition to this list, which is admittedly not anything official, according to Yoshiki Okamoto "a powerful fleet of Japanese designers." is ready and eager to work on games for whats NeXt. So even if Sony will have more 3rd party support(in Japan), which is actually a question, it won't be nearly as prevalent as it was at Xbox launch and in the first few years this time around. In any event, they'll both be out at the same time this cycle, so it'll be a fair fight, Sony won't have an extra year out, and MS won't have an extra year in...
neocarrillo
Joined 31 Mar 2005
156 comments
Fri, 8 Apr 2005 15:28
You mother f**kers are gay, "he's a piece all right" what a piece of meat for you fags. How from a reply to a ps2 user I get replies from 2 stupid f**king xbox fans. PreciousRoi your a duch bag who complains about me cause I am always right when it comes to ps2, so you come out and say oh where do you get your info from, I look around dog, I go to ign, gamespot and gamespy, sites that get there info first and official. You go to SPOnG and start talking trash with your little xbox groupies.
Pilot13 your another close minded prick, you talk more s**t than me. I'm tired of proving you fags wrong time and time again. I believe you idiots live in europe so look on the charts and you'll see little to no xbox games on there. Sony's the s**t your just pissed cause you like to play garbage.
You guys are the only homothugz I have to post negative to and im tired of it. Until xbox is ahead of sony you can SHUT THE F**K UP!

P.S. To Pilot13, I bought ICO long before your close minded ass looked it's way. That game was a gem made by sony, something microsoft can't buy.
neocarrillo
Joined 31 Mar 2005
156 comments
Fri, 8 Apr 2005 15:31
PreciousRoi said "Hows this, one of the only reasons to own a PS2...You like to play RPGs by yourself." Well at least ps2 users have rpg's. Whats xbox got fable, kotor & Morrowind, WOW. The only rpg xbox was getting on live was true fantasy online and microsoft canceled it, to bad xbox users.
Ditto
Joined 10 Jun 2004
1169 comments
Fri, 8 Apr 2005 15:43
PreciousRoi wrote:

I liked FF2(US?) on the SNES myself...


I hail you, Sir. You have taste.

Super NES rocks.
PreciousRoi
Joined 3 Apr 2005
1483 comments
Fri, 8 Apr 2005 19:19
You don't even have enough maturity/credibility for this to even be enjoyable...
Pilot13
Joined 2 Feb 2005
231 comments
Fri, 8 Apr 2005 19:35
You mother f**kers are gay, "he's a piece all right" what a piece of meat for you fags. How from a reply to a ps2 user I get replies from 2 stupid f**king xbox fans. PreciousRoi your a duch bag who complains about me cause I am always right when it comes to ps2, so you come out and say oh where do you get your info from, I look around dog, I go to ign, gamespot and gamespy, sites that get there info first and official. You go to SPOnG and start talking trash with your little xbox groupies.
Pilot13 your another close minded prick, you talk more s**t than me. I'm tired of proving you fags wrong time and time again. I believe you idiots live in europe so look on the charts and you'll see little to no xbox games on there. Sony's the s**t your just pissed cause you like to play garbage.
You guys are the only homothugz I have to post negative to and im tired of it. Until xbox is ahead of sony you can SHUT THE F**K UP!

P.S. To Pilot13, I bought ICO long before your close minded ass looked it's way. That game was a gem made by sony, something microsoft can't buy.


Shediesinred never said he was a PS2 fan, just that he had a PS2.

IGN, Gamespot and Gamespy are retarded places to look for games info beyond reviews. But even then they get paid to like something by the companies themselves. Something that's plauged[sic] the magazine industry for years.

'I'm tired of proving you fags wrong time and time again.' You haven't proved a goddamn thing.

'I believe you idiots live in europe so look on the charts and you'll see little to no xbox games on there.'
Yeah very few sony ones either. Lots of Nintendo DS at the moment.

'Sony's the s**t your just pissed cause you like to play garbage.'
I found Enter The Matrix very enjoyable yes.

'You guys are the only homothugz I have to post negative to and im tired of it.'
homothugz...what the...what the hell?

'Until xbox is ahead of sony you can SHUT THE F**K UP!'
So long as when Xbox overtakes Sony, which seeing how much money microsoft has, it will, you shut the f**k up as well.

'P.S. To Pilot13, I bought ICO long before your close minded ass looked it's way. That game was a gem made by sony, something microsoft can't buy.'
I'm very surprised Sony actually made it, and yes I did buy it long after you may have done but that was because I was waiting for the PS2 to get cheaper because it was the only game I wanted.

'You mother f**kers are gay, "he's a piece all right" what a piece of meat for you fags.'
Roi, I call dibs on his 'meat' drool.

In conclusion, Nintendo is the best.
PreciousRoi
Joined 3 Apr 2005
1483 comments
Fri, 8 Apr 2005 19:39
Super NES was IMNSHO Nintendo's high water mark, as well as being the one time Nintendo did everything right (aside from handhelds)...most notably the controller, it was a masterpiece for the time, and given that a d-pad was de rigeur...it was so good Sony slapped two more shoulder buttons and some small bulbous protrusions and created the original PS controller, which led to the Dual Shock, the most important console controller to date. Why they thought they needed to get all bizarro with the N64 controller is just one of Nintendo's little quirks. They (Nintendo) take risks, sometimes they work...sometimes they don't...

Only reasons I never had a NES and so never fell under its evil spell, were my Commodore 64, and the fact that my family owns a coin-op buisness, so I played alla the old Ninty games in superior arcade form. My faves were Popeye and Mario Bros.(original, not Super). I played Super Mario Bros. till I was numb. I never did like Super 2 or 3, either, though Super Mario World on SNES was a treat and possibly best launch/bundle title ever, beating out even Combat for the 2600. Wasn't until SNES that games came out that either weren't vastly superior in the arcades or were exclusive to the consoles. Back then the idea of playing Blades of Steel without a trackball was blasphemy to me. Admittedly the Genesis proved to be a worthy alternative, perhaps even eclipsing the SNES in the end of the cycle, but it was the superior Sophmore effort that proved Nintendo was here to stay as laid more of the groundwork for the next generations.
PreciousRoi
Joined 3 Apr 2005
1483 comments
Fri, 8 Apr 2005 19:51
I'm curious, what mistakes do you think Nintendo made this cycle, if any?
Pilot13
Joined 2 Feb 2005
231 comments
Fri, 8 Apr 2005 20:03
The marketing, and 3rd party support. They got some of both, but no where near enough. The only gamecube games I saw marketed were the launch ones (proving 'surprisingly' as one of the strongest launches ever) and Metroid Prime and Wind Waker. The Gamecube had some good games this cycle, some being ports and multiformat of course, but nintendo specific games were rather good. Of course the two above, and well I have a whole rack of them. Lost Kingdoms, Sonic Adventure 2 Battle (a port I know, but a classic one), with Super Monkey Ball 1 proving a single player gem, and the second game as a multiplayer one (monkey target anyone?). Unfortunately Monkeys in balls just don't sell to the Chav crowd which make up the mainstream. If they were just balls textured in burberry then maybe...

And 3rd party support? Well...my friend bought a gamecube JUST for Resident Evil 4. Seriously, he's trading it in as soon as hes done. The Gamecube needed more games like that. Plus Nintendo has this real kiddy image, which is kinda retarded because the people who want adult games are kids themselves playing gta.

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