Gordon Freeman on the Case - Large Hadron Collider Safe

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Psalms
Joined 2 Apr 2006
39 comments
Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:08
Awesome find.

Btw, you might want to change 'hedron' to 'hadron' in the title before someone notices. Or you could pretend you were making a pun on virtual polyhedrons and hadrons. Then that would look clevererer.
TimSpong
Joined 6 Nov 2006
1783 comments
Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:12
David Armstrong wrote:
Awesome find.

Btw, you might want to change 'hedron' to 'hadron' in the title before someone notices. Or you could pretend you were making a pun on virtual polyhedrons and hadrons. Then that would look clevererer.


Och ouch ouch
TimSpong
Joined 6 Nov 2006
1783 comments
Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:16
Tim Smith wrote:
David Armstrong wrote:
Awesome find.

Btw, you might want to change 'hedron' to 'hadron' in the title before someone notices. Or you could pretend you were making a pun on virtual polyhedrons and hadrons. Then that would look clevererer.


Och ouch ouch


Erm, I mean I have no idea what you mean :-)
schnide
Joined 23 Apr 2004
575 comments
Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:17
Fan-bloody-tastic! I've just started playing through HL2 on the Xbox, how very apt. And what a game!

David, do you work for SPOnG as a bug tester or do you just hate the world, existing to suck the joy out of every moment in order to perversely teach us happiness in contrast to misery?

Just curious. Go Freeman!
TimSpong
Joined 6 Nov 2006
1783 comments
Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:27
schnide wrote:
David, do you work for SPOnG as a bug tester or do you just hate the world, existing to suck the joy out of every moment in order to perversely teach us happiness in contrast to misery?


David doesn't work for us. no. And I'd like to thank him for his help in ensuring I terminated yet another sub-editor with extreme prunejuice.

Tim
schnide
Joined 23 Apr 2004
575 comments
Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:55
Tim Smith wrote:
I'd like to thank him for his help in ensuring I terminated yet another sub-editor with extreme prunejuice.


Well if you have a position available..
TimSpong
Joined 6 Nov 2006
1783 comments
Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:59
schnide wrote:
Tim Smith wrote:
I'd like to thank him for his help in ensuring I terminated yet another sub-editor with extreme prunejuice.


Well if you have a position available..


You and your foul innuendo!

People are always welcome to correct our errors so that I can put my foot down with a firm hand!
tyrion
Joined 14 Oct 1999
1786 comments
Wed, 10 Sep 2008 16:29
schnide wrote:
Tim Smith wrote:
I'd like to thank him for his help in ensuring I terminated yet another sub-editor with extreme prunejuice.

Well if you have a position available..

Tim has a seemingly never-ending supply of sub-editors. I think he's started training the sharks outside of the castle.
TimSpong
Joined 6 Nov 2006
1783 comments
Wed, 10 Sep 2008 16:39
tyrion wrote:
Tim has a seemingly never-ending supply of sub-editors. I think he's started training the sharks outside of the castle.


That's it Tyrion! Outside now!

micta
Joined 2 Nov 1999
163 comments
Wed, 10 Sep 2008 17:23
Just noticed Johnny Ball on the left there, no doubt 'thinking of a number'. Tell me i'm not wrong.
SaneScienceOrg
Anonymous
Wed, 10 Sep 2008 17:42
Man's technology has exceeded his grasp. - 'The World is not Enough'
Zealous Nobel Prize hungry Physicists are racing each other and stopping at nothing to try to find the supposed 'Higgs Boson'(aka God) Particle, among others, and are risking nothing less than the annihilation of the Earth and all Life in endless experiments hoping to prove a theory when urgent tangible problems face the planet. The European Organization for Nuclear Research(CERN) new Large Hadron Collider(LHC) is the world's most powerful atom smasher that will soon be firing subatomic particles at each other at nearly the speed of light to create Miniature Big Bangs producing Micro Black Holes, Strangelets and other potentially cataclysmic phenomena.
Particle physicists have run out of ideas and are at a dead end forcing them to take reckless chances with more and more powerful and costly machines to create new and never-seen-before, unstable and unknown matter while Astrophysicists, on the other hand, are advancing science and knowledge on a daily basis making new discoveries in these same areas by observing the universe, not experimenting with it and with your life.
The LHC is a dangerous gamble as CERN physicist Alvaro De Rújula in the BBC LHC documentary, 'The Six Billion Dollar Experiment', incredibly admits quote, "Will we find the Higgs particle at the LHC? That, of course, is the question. And the answer is, science is what we do when we don't know what we're doing." And CERN spokesmodel Brian Cox follows with this stunning quote, "the LHC is certainly, by far, the biggest jump into the unknown."
The CERN-LHC website Mainpage itself states: "There are many theories as to what will result from these collisions,..." Again, this is because they truly don't know what's going to happen. They are experimenting with forces they don't understand to obtain results they can't comprehend. If you think like most people do that 'They must know what they're doing' you could not be more wrong. Some people think similarly about medical Dr.s but consider this by way of comparison and example from JAMA: "A recent Institute of Medicine report quoted rates estimating that medical errors kill between 44,000 and 98,000 people a year in US hospitals." The second part of the CERN quote reads "...but what's for sure is that a brave new world of physics will emerge from the new accelerator,..." A molecularly changed or Black Hole consumed Lifeless World? The end of the quote reads "...as knowledge in particle physics goes on to describe the workings of the Universe." These experiments to date have so far produced infinitely more questions than answers but there isn't a particle physicist alive who wouldn't gladly trade his life to glimpse the "God particle", and sacrifice the rest of us with him. Reason and common sense will tell you that the risks far outweigh any potential(as CERN physicists themselves say) benefits.
This quote from National Geographic exactly sums this "science" up: "That's the essence of experimental particle physics: You smash stuff together and see what other stuff comes out."
Find out more about that "stuff" below;
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deleted
Joined 4 Jul 2007
2320 comments
Wed, 10 Sep 2008 18:57
SaneScienceOrg wrote:
Yada yada............




Yeah, SO there
TimSpong
Joined 6 Nov 2006
1783 comments
Thu, 11 Sep 2008 08:24
I refer you to dear old Mike Faraday...

Mikey Faraday wrote:
"If you would cause your view ... to be acknowledged by scientific men; you would do a great service to science. If you would even get them to say yes or no to your conclusions it would help to clear the future progress. I believe some hesitate because they do not like their thoughts disturbed."


tyrion
Joined 14 Oct 1999
1786 comments
Thu, 11 Sep 2008 08:47
INSaneScienceOrg wrote:
Again, this is because they truly don't know what's going to happen.

If they truly knew what was going to happen they wouldn't need to run an experiment.

What they do know is that anything that gets produced requires collisions with closing speeds of almost twice the speed of light to produce it.

That means the particles produced require an enormous amount of energy to be separated from other particles.

That means they attach to other particles very, very easily.

That means they will probably re-attach before they are detected, never mind before they leave the detector ring, the experiment cavern or the CERN campus.

All of this means that anything produced will last for a few millionths of a second at most. It won't "escape". It won't destroy the Earth. And it most certainly won't create a new Big Bang and start a new universe on the Switzerland/France border.

In order to re-create the big bang we'd apparently need a particle collider the size of the solar system. It's safe to say a 27km loop isn't going to produce much other than what they expect it to produce.

In this case "don't know" means "don't know exactly" not "anything dreamt up by crackpots is possible and indeed more probable than what we think will happen"
schnide
Joined 23 Apr 2004
575 comments
Thu, 11 Sep 2008 10:04
tyrion wrote:
If they truly knew what was going to happen they wouldn't need to run an experiment.


True, true.. don't feed the troll :)
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