Sony Working on 'PS3mote'?

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schnide
Joined 23 Apr 2004
575 comments
Mon, 2 Jun 2008 16:02
haritori wrote:
ah but it is i who has the last laugh, with my mastermind plan, mwhahahahaha


My plan's already accounted for your plan.

MWAH HA HA HA HA HA HA (etc)!
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Anonymous
Mon, 2 Jun 2008 19:24
schnide wrote:
haritori wrote:
ah but it is i who has the last laugh, with my mastermind plan, mwhahahahaha


My plan's already accounted for your plan.

MWAH HA HA HA HA HA HA (etc)!


All of which leads to this terrible and hopefully obscure joke.

Q: Who led the pedants’ revolt?

A: Which Tyler.

To have any hope of gaining personal amusement from this “joke”. Try it on a pedant, and achieve smugness at their inattentive correction.
Ouisi
Anonymous
Mon, 2 Jun 2008 20:58
they are only confusing their customers demographic, customers that want a Wii will buy a Wii; if anything they'll be percieved as copycats in a run for copying the market leader... yet the generation has already started and it won't ever be standard on those.

Also, it'll only divide their own userbase, most Wii fans will despise them, just like they despised Sony after the sixaxys unveilment... and for what? bad publicity, hate and what did the sixaxys do?

Also... Sony going from sixaxys to dual shock 3 to wiiclone? do they even have a strategy? DESPERATE. Same for X360 actually; but that's also precisely why Sony shouldn't do it... it'll be a failure for X360 who are struggling to sell more than they are.

I can see stupid analysts predicting big changed because of this and developers, not wanting to shift to the Wii holding on for this, but quite simply put... it's a stupid attempt; who won't change the outcome.

These company's aren't thinking outside the box, they're mimmicking the box.
schnide
Joined 23 Apr 2004
575 comments
Tue, 3 Jun 2008 10:14
Ouisi wrote:
These company's aren't thinking outside the box, they're mimmicking the box.


I disagree - if the hardware works well, and the software's there to back it up, I think it's entirely sensible to try and chase the market share that Wii has (somehow, I still don't understand it) taken. Aside from the fact that Nintendo only makes software for Nintendo consoles, and I still don't see anything amazing they've done this generation, then the Wiimote function is the only thing that the console can do that the PS3 or Xbox 360 can't. If Sony and Microsoft can steal that, Nintendo's f**ked.
OptimusP
Joined 13 Apr 2005
1174 comments
Tue, 3 Jun 2008 11:29
schnide wrote:
Ouisi wrote:
These company's aren't thinking outside the box, they're mimmicking the box.


I disagree - if the hardware works well, and the software's there to back it up, I think it's entirely sensible to try and chase the market share that Wii has (somehow, I still don't understand it) taken. Aside from the fact that Nintendo only makes software for Nintendo consoles, and I still don't see anything amazing they've done this generation, then the Wiimote function is the only thing that the console can do that the PS3 or Xbox 360 can't. If Sony and Microsoft can steal that, Nintendo's f**ked.


Those are big "if"'s nonetheless...especially the software one. Seeing how mimicking works in this industry, the copies being far lower in quality because they haven't really figured out how the original actually really works which you point out yourself very neatly, Nintendo has nothing to fear. Sony and Microsoft will probably also mimick the mini-games compilations and do a even worse job at it.

If you can't see what the Wii has done by now, please do not take up a job that relies on medium and long-term vision with shifting structures...you would be really really bad at it.

Here's a hint: why is it that everyone talks about casual gamers in corelation with the Wii except Nintendo?
schnide
Joined 23 Apr 2004
575 comments
Tue, 3 Jun 2008 11:49
OptimusP wrote:
Those are big "if"'s nonetheless...especially the software one. Seeing how mimicking works in this industry, the copies being far lower in quality because they haven't really figured out how the original actually really works which you point out yourself very neatly, Nintendo has nothing to fear. Sony and Microsoft will probably also mimick the mini-games compilations and do a even worse job at it.

If you can't see what the Wii has done by now, please do not take up a job that relies on medium and long-term vision with shifting structures...you would be really really bad at it.


Actually, and I'm not busting your chops here, I'm an Analyst (although not the type that Spong often reports on) and I'm really good at it.

Sony already have first-party experience in the market that Wii has captured, it just didn't capitalise on it and take it forward like Nintendo has. SingStar goes some way to that, but I'm talking about EyeToy. EyeToy is simple to play, allows the player to interact with what's happening on screen like you couldn't ever do with just a joypad and is a game that got your grandma up where she might now be bowling or playing golf with very basic graphics.

That aside, I wasn't clear enough on my point. Firstly, I don't think the Wii is very good. The only thing I know people to play on it is Wii Sports, which I repeat, I don't think is very good and is a novelty. Galaxy didn't do the numbers, and both Zelda and Mario Kart are retreads of old games where there's a law of increasingly diminishing returns. The Wii is underpowered and can only go on like this for so long. The third-party drought is already starting to show. In a year's time, I'm still confident that a lot of those Wii's will be in cupboards, and sales wouldn't be anywhere near they have been if it wasn't for the hype surrounding the sales shortages at Christmas.

Sales shortages which were very convenient for Nintendo to say the least, but we've had this conversation elsewhere.
OptimusP
Anonymous
Tue, 3 Jun 2008 20:46
schnide wrote:
OptimusP wrote:
Those are big "if"'s nonetheless...especially the software one. Seeing how mimicking works in this industry, the copies being far lower in quality because they haven't really figured out how the original actually really works which you point out yourself very neatly, Nintendo has nothing to fear. Sony and Microsoft will probably also mimick the mini-games compilations and do a even worse job at it.

If you can't see what the Wii has done by now, please do not take up a job that relies on medium and long-term vision with shifting structures...you would be really really bad at it.


Actually, and I'm not busting your chops here, I'm an Analyst (although not the type that Spong often reports on) and I'm really good at it.

Sony already have first-party experience in the market that Wii has captured, it just didn't capitalise on it and take it forward like Nintendo has. SingStar goes some way to that, but I'm talking about EyeToy. EyeToy is simple to play, allows the player to interact with what's happening on screen like you couldn't ever do with just a joypad and is a game that got your grandma up where she might now be bowling or playing golf with very basic graphics.

That aside, I wasn't clear enough on my point. Firstly, I don't think the Wii is very good. The only thing I know people to play on it is Wii Sports, which I repeat, I don't think is very good and is a novelty. Galaxy didn't do the numbers, and both Zelda and Mario Kart are retreads of old games where there's a law of increasingly diminishing returns. The Wii is underpowered and can only go on like this for so long. The third-party drought is already starting to show. In a year's time, I'm still confident that a lot of those Wii's will be in cupboards, and sales wouldn't be anywhere near they have been if it wasn't for the hype surrounding the sales shortages at Christmas.

Sales shortages which were very convenient for Nintendo to say the least, but we've had this conversation elsewhere.

The Eye Toy is indeed a very great invention by Sony and you're right they didn't do much with it. That's because Sony doesn't have a strategy, Nintendo does. I recommend reading [link= ***n00b weblink removed*** for Nintendo's strategy and combine it with the fact the DS allready succeeded at it. In short, Nintendo is literally reforging the entire game-industry from the ground-up, training a complete new army of gamers in its new ways of playing games. The best part is...almost no one knows that it is happening and mistakes it as a casual gaming boom while Nintendo never took the casual gamer as a basis but the non and former gamers (again, Nintendo never ever mentioned "casual" gamer).

And the rest of your arguments are the same run of the mill average fanboy (of every kind) level . Replace Zelda and Mario Kart with Halo, Metal Gear, Final Fantasy, Madden, FIFA, Gears of War, Resident Evil ect. and you have the same "true" argument. So by your logic, all the consoles are virtually screwed. Also, you have to explain to me how diminishing returns are part of Mario Kart when it allready outsold its predecessor and still has a spot in the top 50 in all regions? Key concept here is: only release a new iteration of those franchises every generation, not go the EA-way of making yearly updates. Nintendo actually understands that you can't flood the market, that's why there is no Nintendogs 2/Wii or Animal Crossing 2007/2008 or whatever.
Replace Wii Sports with FPS-games and Wii with X360...look at that stereotype, not an argument. Also...there are now more units sold of WiiFit then there PS3's in Japan. Whooptie

Also, what third party drought? You mean the EA exclusives...or the Capcom exclusives...or the SEGA exclusives... or the fact third parties have figured out their multi-platform titles actually sell better on the Wii (Guitar Hero III)?
schnide
Joined 23 Apr 2004
575 comments
Wed, 4 Jun 2008 09:40
OptimusP wrote:
And the rest of your arguments are the same run of the mill average fanboy (of every kind) level.


You're very literate OP (I'm not calling you Optimus, not your nor anyone else deserves that name - CHILD OF THE EIGHTIES!) but if you're going to come out with s**t like this, I'm simply not going to bother arguing with you.

If you can rise above this in future then please let me know, and I'll happily debate with you, which I would have otherwise found interesting to do.

If not, let's see how your arguments stand in a year.
OptimusP
Joined 13 Apr 2005
1174 comments
Wed, 4 Jun 2008 12:51
schnide wrote:
OptimusP wrote:
And the rest of your arguments are the same run of the mill average fanboy (of every kind) level.


You're very literate OP (I'm not calling you Optimus, not your nor anyone else deserves that name - CHILD OF THE EIGHTIES!) but if you're going to come out with s**t like this, I'm simply not going to bother arguing with you.

If you can rise above this in future then please let me know, and I'll happily debate with you, which I would have otherwise found interesting to do.

If not, let's see how your arguments stand in a year.

Well, let met dissect your arguments differently then.
Problems with your arguments are:
1) You take the hardcore gamer (and by this maybe also yourself) as the point of reference while they are a clear niche part of the gaming industry (around 20-25% of the entire market). People should have allready figured that out with Pokemon and The Sims.
2) The law of diminishing returns only apply to recurrent releases with insignificant quality improvements aka: the EA-way of doing things. It is applicable to Madden and FIFA, it's not on Mario Kart Wii or Warcraft 3 or HalfLife2 because of the (various) levels of innovation and high-quality of all of these titles.
3) saying people only play Wii Sports on the Wii while its attach rate (without counting WiiSports and VC-games) is higher then the PS3 and closing with the Xbox360...where does that put the PS3 then? An exclusive Blu-Ray player? That's two fanboy stereotypes in one sentence if you hold on to one and introduce facts. That's not me running any kind of s**t, that's just you talking s**t. I just pointed it out.

Personally, my arguments are not meant to be hold accountable in a year time but are only meant to rebuke yours. Only my theories can be hold accountable for longer periods of time, since they are theories and need to be proven/disproven.
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